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Well, let me visit with you about herman's plan. this doesn't have a flat tax, value-added tax, it doesn't have a national sales tax. i mean, that is bickest difference right there -- biggest difference right there. americans do not trust washington, d.c. to have a new form of taxation. what they are looking for is simplicity. they are looking for something flat. they are looking for something that is fair. this plan addresses all of those. >> bret: texas governor rick perry in south carolina holding up a card to say you can file your tacks in the flat tax plan. you can have optional 20% or op...

Under the tax system we've got or file it on this postcard. >> perry's plan to keep the deduction for home mortgage interest, charitable contribution and state and local taxes with the $12,500 tax per person, make it less flat. but allowing a choice may be comforting. >> there is nobody worse off because of the plan. >> others argue the perry plan would shift the greater share away from larger corporation and wealthiest to the middle class. but a family of four has to make more than $50,000 to face any federal income taxes. >> this is a tax cut for most people. not a tax increase. >> others ar...

Also federal civilian hiring salaries frozen. then he talks about entitlement reform; specifically, social security. setting up retirement account for younger workers. those are the bullet points quickly. we are starting the panel earlier to make room for center seat segment. steve hayes, "weekly standard." a.b. stoddard, associate editor of the hill. syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. steve, thoughts on the plan and the roll back? >> very strong. i like it a lot. it has a lot of aspects to it. i like the 20% tax. there have been complaints that it's too complicated that phase in, opt i...

Don't you think? and finally, we've all heard gop candidate michele bachmann's campaign promise to, quote, end obamacare, but does anyone know what her alternative plan might be? well, here she is, and ebenezer scrooge said something very much like this before the three ghosts arrive on christmas eve. let's listen to bachmann. >> we will always have people in this country, through hardship, through no fault of their own, who won't be able to afford health care. that's just the way it is. but usually what we've had are charitable organizations or hospitals who have enough left over so that th...

9-9-9 plan came to the conclusion as most nonpartisan groups have concluded that the rich get a huge boon out of it and poor and middle class people have to pay much more. >> safe to say you don't think either plan will work, secretary, robert reich. always nice to see you, sir. battles over tax policies don't make for great sound bites but they can find a receptive audience online. that audience is growing. about two-thirds of adults use social networks. the question is now, who can win that battle online? >> joining us now is technology strategist, andrew racha. thanks for joining us. >> p...