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And we're replacing them with a 9% visible tax. for example, take a loaf of bread. the farmer pays taxes on his profits. the company that makes the flour, the baker, the delivery man. by the time that loaf of bread gets to the grocery store, there are a series of invisible taxes, ich are also called embedded taxes. so in reality, those taxes go away, and so the price of goods don't go up. >> you're saying they actually go down? >> yes, they actually go down. >> based on what? >> based upon competition. competition drives prices down. for example, suppose one breadmaker says i'm going to charge...

Whether that would be in a vp slot or whether that would be in a key cabinet slot, i'll give you a name, like representative paul ryan, senator jim demint, people who are not afraid to challenge the system. people who are not afraid to put on the table what we should do and not just what we think we can get done. newt is a great, great -- he's a brilliant mind. and i don't know how -- i don't know how things are going to turn out, but i am going to -- i am going to call upon newt gingrich to assist me at some point some way because he brings so much knowledge and insight to this whole process....

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Texas governor rig perry jumped into the reform debate. introducing a sweeping plan to overhaul the system an operational flat rate income rate of 20%. fox news paul has perry sliding to fourth place in the republican primary field. can his proposal put him back into the top tier? joining the panel this week, wall street journal columnist dan henninger and jason riley and kim strassel. kim, start with you, rick perry offered this proposal that he called bold. do you think it's bold enough? >> well, it's as good a shot as he's going to have. i mean, he just looked at herman cain and success of ...

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