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That year, and if that was part of the discussion i would have known about it. >> her name with respect to minority hires, no, never. it's nonsense. her reputation as a teacher was stellar and we hired her because she was the best teacher on the market. >> that's the point, nick. it's not the dna -- i don't think the dna test would ever quiet trump and his supporters because they don't think that 1/32nd matters, and they say she exploited it and listed it as a credential to get special treatment. >> i think that's exactly right. it would be worthy if there was no ancestry at all from the nativ...

Probably the only one at the table that brought all of them, but the results are ambiguous. under the law, 1/32 would allow her to under oath be native american. >> when you do read all of it, you do see the imprecise scientific. >> well, we have more "outnumbered" right here in just a moment. stay here if you want to use it to get cash, call newday usa. va loans are all they do. and don't let less than perfect credit hold you back. even if you've been turned down for a va loan by your bank, call newday usa. they've been given automatic authority by the va... they can often help veterans when ...

That's just a portion of it. joining us now to talk about this and so much more, senator dick durbin, democratic whip. good morning, senator. >> good morning. how are you? >> i'm doing well. what do you think elizabeth warren is up to? why has she released the dna findings? >> the president ridicules her every chance he gets and perhaps that's a reason to get back in his face. >> i'm curious of the timing. to fill you in, and for our viewers who haven't heard it, she has done a dna test, which she says has proven she is at least 1/32 native american. it could be 1/500 but she does have native ...

Native american to something like 1/512 native american, a lot smaller of a percentage. in either case really you're looking at a very, very, very small percentage but this is the first sort of documentary evidence that supports this claim that warren has always made that there is -- in this family there's native american heritage. >> does it support that claim if it's between 1/32 and 1/512? >> if it's 1/32, it's more supportive. but what it does, it says that these family myths, which they've been up until now, are based somewhere in fact, that it's not a complete fabrication. it's not an ut...

Is very well known and well respected in the field and has a mcarthur genius grant that he got for the very concept of tracking human population migrations via dna. he is really the person that everybody who i talked to beforehand said this is who i would go to if i were. i called him and he never called me back. i kind of suspected that he was working on this while i called him. >> he found out what in terms of how much american native dna she has? >> the way he characterized it, he has a high degree of certainty that elizabeth warren had at least one native american ancestor in her family tr...