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With. >> gregg: several democrats are claiming that liberal or progressive groups were treated the same way. the numbers belie that. it turns out only 7 liberal groups were examined by the irs which murdoch put in perspective this way. institution that the irs placed under a microscope was 67.3% liberal, 93.7 conservative. not quite fair and balanced. all the liberal groups were approved by the irs which why none of them have complained about it. do the numbers tell the story of brazen political discrimination? >> i think absolutely. all the things we've heard from named and unnamed officials ...

Ought to give them this because we want to save our business and we want to be on the right side of it but as you see in foreign policy in a lot of places leaders don't do the rational thing when it's in their economic interest and other factors take over, emotion. the 7% in any issue that is 93/7 can often be more vocal, more passionate, more powerful in some ways than the 93% and i think that is what wayne lapierre is dealing with as well as his own views and his own personality. >> do you know how many guys that run hedge funds that would make this decision? >> no. but look. guys who run he...

I spent 93.7 days of your life in an airplane. >> that is sad. >> and well, it's a job requiring getting out there. and even in the era of modern technology and you can pick up the phone and you can do video conferences, there is nothing like the personal contact. and i think what this demonstrates is that person secretary of state has to travel, has to travel widely because the in box for the world is really the american secretary of state's inbox. so i think that is really what those numbers show. have you to get out there and represent the united states. have you to try to properly show you...