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Will mess but w us but we can do it for less. they sent a washer from south carolina to texas, it cost $997,000. it was fraud. it was fraud. >> so you believe we can spend less money on defense than we do today? >> i think we can defense much stronger, spend somewhat less money and increase -- >> so cut the defense budget and make the military stronger? >> chuck, when they send an 18-cent washer from south carolina to texas and it costs almost a million dollars to bring it there because of the fraud and abuse and everything else, it was a fraud but there have been many cases like that, we can ...

It for less. they sent a washer from south carolina to texas, it cost $997,000. it was fraud. it was fraud. >> so you believe we can spend less money on defense than we do today? >> i think we can defense much stronger, spend somewhat less money and increase -- >> so cut the defense budget and make the military stronger? >> chuck, when they send an 18-cent washer from south carolina to texas and it costs almost a million dollars to bring it there because of the fraud and abuse and everything else, it was a fraud but there have been many cases like that, we can save so much. when a hammer you b...

I want local education. we could say a fortune with environmental protection. >> financially not a big department, though, you won't get rid of a lot. >> it's a lot of money. >> well what is another agency. >> even the military. i'm going to build the military, it will be much stronger. it will be so strong, nobody will mess but w us but we can do it for less. they sent a washer from south carolina to texas, it cost $997,000. it was fraud. it was fraud. >> so you believe we can spend less money on defense than we do today? >> i think we can defense much stronger, spend somewhat less money and ...