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Soul, including your gender, was created before you were born and continues together with your family for eternity. this is a major reason the church doesn't accept people who change their gender identity. when did you feel there was a disconnect? >> starting in the 9th grade, feeling what is going on? >> you were a ninth grader. >> yeah, and things were not normal. >> i can't imagine how confusing. >> yeah, it's like stumbling around a dark room. >> so how did that process work when you realize -- whatever this quote unquote normal thing was, i'm not. >> i didn't have a word for it. which mad...

We had our records removed like two years ago. >> when what is in your records? >> when you are baptized. when your baby is blessed, that creates a paper trail within the church. if i null that out, i no longer have that on my record forever. >> so it's on you now, you have save yourself. >> no more ticket to heaven. >> our family that is still in, that is painful for them. >> wow. in many religions, when you are married, it's till death do us part. not n -- in the lds faith. a fundamental part is that your soul, including your gender, was created before you were born and continues together wi...

I'm no longer, i don't have that on my record forever. >> you have to save yourself. >> no more ticket to heaven. >> our family that is still in, that is painful for them. by petitioning. i said i don't want to be with my family forever. >> wow. in many religions, when you are married, it's till death do us part. mormon families are with each other forever. a fundamental part is that your soul, including your gender, was created before you were born and this is a major reason the church doesn't accept people who change their gender identity. when did you feel there was a disconnect? >> startin...

Married, it's till death do us part. a fundamental part is that your soul, including your jernd, was created before you were born and this is a major reason the church doesn't accept people who change their gender identity. when did you feel there was a disconnect? >> starting in the 9th grade, feeling what is going on? >> with youyou were a ninth gra >> yeah, and things were not normal. >>ky not imagine. >> yeah, it's like stumbling around a dark room. >> so how did that process work when you realize -- whatever this quote unquote normal thing was, i'm not. >> i didn't have a word for it. whi...

Here's what has to happen. and then line up all the various steps of the scheme. neil: do you know what his percentage was? how many of his clients got into the school? >> yeah, i don't know, but he -- i would suspect very close to 100%. neil: so paying millions of dollars, which was apparently the case in a couple of cases, that won't be too far outside your surprise zone? >> no, not at all. one case where he didn't succeed 100% was the stanford sailing guy who got in but was deferred for a year. he was still admitted, but then he had to take a year off, and apparently he said i'm going to go...