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Talking about an awful lot. i mean, he chose to walk down that path with sean hannity, which they walked hand in hand, sometimes awkwardly. >> yeah. i think -- i think there's a reason why emmet flood and raskins are the ones that are his actual criminal attorneys. they're going to be behind the scenes. i promise you -- i can't say that -- i would suspect that they know the answers to the questions that we've been asking. i think there's a reason why rudy giuliani does not know the answer to that. i don't believe he was ever brought on to know those answers and to be that person. he's not goin...

He chose not to give the answer, no, there. >> even if he says i have no knowledge, going a little further but saying it's possible -- >> right. >> -- i mean, does anyone really get the sense that he knows one way or the other? i don't think so. it doesn't seem like he's operating -- >> no, but he knows donald trump which is why he wanted to keep that option open. >> no, actually what we saw was rudy giuliani being a very good lawyer. he did not answer something he did not know the answer to. he said, i have no knowledge of that, he said, if necessary, yes, which is -- >> i raise the hypotheti...

>> so back now with the panel, ryan lizza, there is another possible answer to that question he could have given which would have been no. he chose not to give the answer, no, there. >> even if he says i have no knowledge, going a little further but saying it's possible -- >> right. >> -- i mean, does anyone really get the sense that he knows one way or the other? i don't think so. it doesn't seem like he's operating -- >> no, but he knows donald trump which is why he wanted to keep that option open. >> no, actually what we saw was rudy giuliani being a very good lawyer. he did not answer some...

Which they walked hand in hand, sometimes awkwardly. >> yeah. i think -- i think there's a reason why emmet flood and raskins are the ones that are his actual criminal attorneys. they're going to be behind the scenes. i promise you -- i can't say that -- i would suspect that they know the answers to the questions that we've been asking. i think there's a reason why rudy giuliani does not know the answer to that. i don't believe he was ever brought on to know those answers and to be that person. he's not going to be negotiating and doing all the things in the courtroom. he is there to be the pe...

Flattered by that comparison, by the way. boris, has the white house responded yet to the idea of the possible may 17th decision to sit down with robert mueller, his investigators? >> reporter: not yet, john, but we suspect that if they do respond, they will repeat something that sarah sanders said from the podium today and refer us back to the source of those comments. rudy giuliani notably, i did want to point out something that giuliani told the "the wall street journal," he said, "every day we swing a little different." that, of course, on the question of whether the president should sit d...