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I'm sure you did when your dad was incarcerated. i know you said it was unfair, the his treatment. do you look back at that situation and say i'm glad we went through that as a family, because it allowed me to have compassion for other people? >> i look at where i am today, able to serve the president, i'm in the white house. this is the last place i ever thought i'd be. you go from visiting a family member in prison to working in the white house in a a decade, and that's a pretty dramatic shift in life. i do believe that it's because of god's grace and the fact that there's a bigger plan. and...

I'm sure you did when your dad was incarcerated. i know you said it was unfair, the his treatment. do you look back at that situation and say i'm glad we went through that as a family, because it allowed me to have compassion for other people? >> i look at where i am today, able to serve the president, i'm in the white house. this is the last place i ever thought i'd be. you go from visiting a family member in prison to working in the white house in a a decade, and that's a pretty dramatic shift in life. i do believe that it's because of god's grace and the fact that there's a bigger plan. and...