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Back in the day. you were making the point of acknowledgment goes a long way. >> right. >> and here you have this mayor who is admitting to the failings and also acknowledging those failings and committing to do something about them. does that count for something, particularly when we're talking about the leader of a city and now one on a national stage who is vying for an even bigger office at 1600 pennsylvania? >> right. well, it remains to be seen. yes, but it does make a difference. to acknowledge the problem is critical because if you try to pretend it doesn't exist, if you do the proverb...

That many of these cities are achieving economic growth that they have not seen in decades and yet very little of it is benefiting their own kids from low income and minority neighborhoods. and it's become, i think, a kind of very volatile combination that is evident even in south bend. dan can probably speak to that more than i, but certainly something you see behind kind of underneath the kind of immediate flash point like they're experiencing there right now. >> right, left behind, not something that is historically distant, but a continuation. and so, michael f. dyson, one of the gentlemen...