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The strength of our first responders and those men and women who put their lives on -- their lives on the line every single day and confronted this shooter and stopped it in its place. the bigger conversation is not the laws we have implemented but how do we see each other? how are we treating our neighbors? what's the mind frame of america where you can have differences but yet you cannot have a conversation? >> you are 100% right. >> that's what we -- >> that is the part we never want to touch. we'll deal like this guy is in some kind of distress, how do you get him help? is he mentally ill?...

Psychological toll of the tragedy out of virginia beach. 12 people killed after a longtime city employer opened fire in a municipal building on fire. joining me now is virginia beach city councilman member be aaron raus. first, councilman, our condolences to you. i want to first give you an opportunity to share your thoughts on this tragedy and its impact on your community. >> well, miss cupp, thank you for having this interview. our minds and our hearts are with the families, and the victims' families of this tragedy, this horrible ordeal. the worst day in virginia beach's history. we want to...

Successful. >> yes. >> they give some sense of sfloeper's an underfunded part of the curriculum. you have to focus on the three rs. i think we need to start teaching adults but certainly also kids how to treat one another. like a civics class like i used to have when we grow up. >> i agree. >> we don't know how to ago anything. >> yeah, i saw aaron's interview with you, chris, and i endorse everything he said i believe he's right on the money. >> look, i can tell you are understandably affected by this and i'm sorry for that, councilman. i truly am. i hate to see communities join the ranks of ...

Colleagues. >> heartbreaking for this community. but so frustratingly familiar for this entire country. now, we do want the information that we can get. we want to provide it to you. when the brief comes from authorities we will take it as soon as that happens but right now let's bring in virginia beach city councilman aaron raus. hate to meet you under these circumstances. you said that resonated. a small community, i've been there. many in this country have. it's tight. many people are going to be affected. they'll know somebody who was there or know somebody who knows somebody who was. how ...

How do we see each other? how are we treating our neighbors? what's the mind frame of america where you can have differences but yet you cannot have a conversation? >> you are 100% right. >> that's what we -- >> that is the part we never want to touch. we'll deal like this guy is in some kind of distress, how do you get him help? is he not? we'll go through and won't do anything about it because it will come into different conflicts. the gun thing, forget it but this third element uniquely american, aaron, you put your finger right on it, there is violence in other cultures but it doesn't turn...