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There had to be one of the four. after that they could still decide not to impeach if they didn't think it was an abecauus power. if you read what hamilton said in federalist 65, he lists the criteria and then he said these are important because they reflect an abuse of power. abuse of power was rejected and terms like that as explicit grounds. >> that's not true. >> yes they were. >> the word mal administration -- >> it's a totally different thing. mal administration is being a bad president, doing bad things. you're right. that's not a ground for impeachment. getting us too a bad war in iraq...

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The word corruption, not once. on this friday the 13th, that the man responsible for pursuing those biden allegations, rudy giuliani, was back at the white house today. we'll have that story later in the program. right now we want to stick with the fritrial ahead for donald tp because while this debasement of truth starts at the top, it doesn't end there. listen to what republican congresswoman said when asked about the president wanting to investigate a foreign leader. >> why is it ever okay for an american president to ask foreign power to investigate a political rival? why do you think that...

Testify and say this was wrong. >> thanks for joining us tonight. we always appreciate your time. >> you're welcome. i say you this morning, nice to see you tonight. >> working a long day but it's worth it. appreciate it. coming up, what will be the contours of president's defense in any senate trial? later, tracking the illusive rudy giuliani. he showed up at the white house today days after his most recent trip to ukraine and there's a stunning report on what the president did as soon as rudy giuliani landed back in the united states. that's ahead tonight. man: sneezes skip to the good p...

Opponents that's precisely an abuse of power. >> i can name you 20 presidents that have abused power under those criteria. president kennedy going after the irs. roosevelt confining 110,000 japanese americans. if you congress the abilities to impeach and remove him, you're really turning us into a parliamentary democracy. it's my considered view the framers wanted specific crite a criteria. not open ended ones. >> that's not true. >> that can be weaponized by