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But i think being vc-backed, it gives you a polished feeling of being validated, endorsed, and i'm so impressed by those who choose not to go that way, because it gives you confidence in a moment when you don't, you might be struggling for confidence. and it gives you a network. >> one of the things i always sort of get, i think is crazy, is when you say, how's they're company doing, they're so successful, they've just raised $40 million in venture money. venture is littered with unsuccessful company. >> sure, sure. >> it's weird that we celebrate that metric. like, they've just raised. for me...

Being vc-backed gives you a polish, a feeling of being validated, endorsed, and i'm so impressed by those who choose not to go that bay because it gives you confidence in a moment where you might be struggling for confidence. and it gives you a network. >> well, one of the things that i always get sort of, i think is crazy, is when you say how is their company doing? they're so successful, they just raised $40 million in venture money. venture is littered with unsuccessful companies. >> it's weird that we celebrate that metric. for me, that was the moment of abject terror. i had people's money...

You must have been in absolute shock this could possibly happen in the same place again. >> yes. abject terror. it's as if the world beneath you begins to crumble away. i think for those of us who've been exposed to trauma, you're always just an inch away from the feeling that disaster is right around the corner. and to have that repeated has struck a devastating blow for so many of us who were there that day. and for anybody who's been exposed to trauma and terrorism. it definitely rocks your foundation in a very powerful way. >> your work is so extraordinary because you have been right in th...

Optical illusion of peace and innocence. i feast on your animosity. the petit family passed through their fear and into the calm waters of abject terror. to see that fear on another's face means that the pain in me is real. shock waves of myself's hopelessness reverberates through my rocked soul at the realization that i crossed life's bridge of life's bridge of dark, timeless, depravity.

Intimacy, and i piss on your optical illusion of peace and innocence. i feast on your animosity. the petit family passed through their fear and into the calm waters of abject terror. to see that fear on another's face means that the pain in me is real. shock waves of myself's hopelessness reverberates through my rocked soul at the realization that i crossed life's bridge of life's bridge of dark, timeless, depravity.