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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 00:38:00

To prosperity, if georgia is the way to europe, if georgia is the way to democracy, that might become, and i think is becoming more attractive to the younger generation of abkhazians. to look at that, and we have to work in that direction, we have to show in all respects that the russian propaganda that georgia would be tempted, given the circumstances, to try a military measure against those regions is a russian lie. because georgia wants one thing. it s to reunite with those citizens that are our citizens and not to reunite only with territories. all right. but nevertheless, you say that, you know, perhaps ties are loosening in these two separatist enclaves in georgia, but you ve got to pay more attention to your neighbourhood, haven t you, president zourabichvili? because i know you are very pro western. ....

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 00:37:00

Is behaving towards the people that russia was calling brothers or even russians. really? i mean, do you think that s the case? because, i mean, if you look at abkhazia, 60% of its budget comes from russia. even more in south ossetia. 90% of people there have russian passports. and i tell you what daur kove, the self styled former foreign minister of abkhazia who stepped down last year, he says, the georgians do not understand one simple thing. we do not need them. yeah, that s the position of the separatist government. but the budget that you were mentioning, russia has just told the separatist governments that they will reduce drastically the budget. they re trying to occupy some lands, which is a question of principle for abkhazians, that they want to own their lands. and those parts of abkhazia that are really independentist, they might not dream of rejoining georgia, but they certainly do not dream any more to rejoin russia. but they may not rejoin georgia, is what you re sayin ....

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 04:39:00

Generation of abkhazians. to look at that, and we have to work in that direction, we have to show in all respects that the russian propaganda that georgia would be tempted, given the circumstances, to try a military measure against those regions is a russian lie. because georgia wants one thing. it s to reunite with those citizens that are our citizens and not to reunite only with territories. all right. but nevertheless, you say that, you know, perhaps ties are loosening in these two separatist enclaves in georgia, but you ve got to pay more attention to your neighbourhood, haven t you, president zourabichvili? because i know you are very pro western. in a previous career, you were a french diplomat and you perhaps are tilting too much to the west. i mean, russia is an important economic partner for georgia. you have lots of russian tourists who go. you ve got georgians who work ....

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 04:38:00

Who stepped down last year, he says, the georgians do not understand one simple thing. we do not need them. yeah, that s the position of the separatist government. but the budget that you were mentioning, russia has just told the separatist governments that they will reduce drastically the budget. they re trying to occupy some lands, which is a question of principle for abkhazians, that they want to own their lands. and those parts of abkhazia that are really independentist, they might not dream of rejoining georgia, but they certainly do not dream any more to rejoin russia. but they may not rejoin georgia, is what you re saying? but if georgia is. that would be a way for you, though, wouldn t it? if georgia is the way to prosperity, if georgia is the way to europe, if georgia is the way to democracy, that might become, and i think is becoming more attractive to the younger ....

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