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His mine -- >> in his mind. >> i would like to know what in his mind he was doing. these babies will never, ever exist on this planet so i like to know that. >> they were dead before they did anything to them. >> because he killed them. >> that was the abortion process. a big difference. >> abortion is killing the fetus. >> well, it's legal. >> it doesn't matter whether it is legal. he kill they will. doesn't matter if it is legal or not. >> well, it's legal. >> i'm talking about philosophy. one more thing. you injected race in this. you said the only reason that this might be happening is bec...

His mine -- >> in his mind. >> i would like to know what in his mind he was doing. these babies will never, ever exist on this planet so i like to know that. >> they were dead before they did anything to them. >> because he killed them. >> that was the abortion process. a big difference. >> abortion is killing the fetus. >> well, it's legal. >> it doesn't matter whether it is legal. he kill they will. doesn't matter if it is legal or not. >> well, it's legal. >> i'm talking about philosophy. one more thing. you injected race in this. you said the only reason that this might be happening is bec...

>> bill: hundreds according to people. >> that's not true. convicted of three and not guilty of five. the jury considered all the facts of the case. dr. gosnell didn't kill in mice mind live human. >> bill: in his mind. >> live human babies. >> bill: a what in his mind he was doing because these babies will never ever exist on this planet. i would just like to know that. >> they were dead before he did anything to them. >> bill: because he killed them. >> no he did not. that was abortion. that was the abortion process. big difference between abortion process. >> bill: abortion is killing the f...

>> bill: hundreds according to people. >> that's not true. convicted of three and not guilty of five. the jury considered all the facts of the case. dr. gosnell didn't kill in mice mind live human. >> bill: in his mind. >> live human babies. >> bill: a what in his mind he was doing because these babies will never ever exist on this planet. i would just like to know that. >> they were dead before he did anything to them. >> bill: because he killed them. >> no he did not. that was abortion. that was the abortion process. big difference between abortion process. >> bill: abortion is killing the f...

Language. so even though he might go with tort reform and portability, if he doesn't change the abortion language, he might lose more than he might gain. that's an interesting point. >> ultimately, if he doesn't change the abortion language, you have to wonder whether or not the catholic church will come out stridently against this. remember, the catholic church was lobbying on the house version along with stupak and said we like the idea of everybody getting health care but having federal dollars one way or another pay for any sort of abortion process, they simply could not go for that. >> wh...