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It doesn't mean we operate at those outer boundaries and i think the american people are quite pleased to know that we have been very disciplined, very judicious and use the authorities and these capabilities as a last resort. >> one other point with respect to public oversight. if the executive branch makes a mistake and kills the wrong person or a group of the wrong people, how should the government acknowledge that? >> i believe we need to acknowledge it. i believe we need to acknowledge it to our foreign partners. we need to acknowledge it publicly. there are certain circumstances where th...

>>shepard: i don't think you believe what you are saying. you think a government agency ought to be able to turn off their phones at their discretion for reasons they come up with at any time? that doesn't sound like you. >>arthur: the statement is "under extreme circumstances." >>shepard: who defines extreme circumstances? >>arthur: who twins -- defines it when they can kick in the door? they can be wrong and you have covered stories where they have been wrong, and that is the world we live in. drew: we are talking aboutive, civil, civil protests. protests that which you do not believe in. th...