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Discovered that andy had been a victim of covid, because he died right at the start of the pandemic, and because of the time lines, people didn't think that that could have been it, because you know, it supposedly hadn't come out of china yet, and all of that. because he had been on tour in china. hadn't he, in 2019? yes, and he got back in december2019, and he was, he was ill when he got back, and then became iller and iller and eventually died in february, so the pandemic had started, though i can't remember if it was called a pandemic at that point, but, there was and remains a lot of confu...

That the system works. i think the fact we've had to go through this process is actually an indication that the system has not been working. and that's why it is really important that the prime minister now, as the government has already said it's not going to do what borisjohnson did in the case of owen paterson, and just note what the privileges committee has said, it's accepted and allowed a free vote. and i think that we have to be really mindful of the fact that people like me, bag carriers and people who speak tojournalists behind the scenes, we will always exist. and those judgments wil...

The whole loaf? well, it's been a long 18 months and i've been reflecting a bit- on what it was like that first i morning when we ran that first piece in the daily mirror- where i worked at the time, and arrived in parliament. we basically had revealed two - of the gatherings in downing street and talked a bit about the culture that existed there, the fact - that they liked parties and social gatherings. number 10 denied it, - said no rules were broken. and i arrived in parliament and i was really surprised. by... there was a few peoplel like mps and colleagues who said, "good story, but where...

But i think looking at that report there in front of chris, _ it just is reassuring that actually. parliament and its functions work and i think for so long i they've been traduced and attacked and undermined. and it feels like there's - an opportunity here actually for a reset, and hopefully to try and restore some of that publici trust in those institutions. one of the things that surprised me... well, there were two things that surprised me when i was reading it on the train on the way in, on tiny text on my tiny phone. first of all, that point you made, chris, aboutjust the backlash agains...

| this very, very damning conclusion. | salma, i wonder what your first thoughts were when you started taking a look at this and hearing the headlines this morning on the kind of richter scale of it. for me, that was the surprise. we knew it would be devastating but perhaps not as devastating for borisjohnson as it turned out to be. i think the issue with anything surrounding borisjohnson is that it's overwhelming and everything that comes at you in terms of information and everybody's opinions and takes, you're completely sort of drowned in them. i think it takes a little while, or it took me...