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Talk more about that, as well. >> i'm glad you brought that up. that was something he was very forceful on at the press conference, talking about the threats of 2020. it's an ongoing threat. clearly not seeing the kind of action he believes we should be seeing in terms of the threat. where do you think that questioning will take us, both with democrats and republicans? could republicans, you think, broach that at all? >> i don't know if they will. but i hope that they do. because this really ought to be an issue that is a bipartisan issue, protecting our elections from interference. so hopeful...

Zooming in on this pin that you've got on, the broach you have on which is a picture of your mother. your mother, before regaining the speakership, was seen as, according to some polls, the most poll rising figure in the democratic party. republicans spent $64 million in negative ads against her in 2010, and now she's flexing her muscles in washington. and even with the president. there was that picture of her that you've got, you're wearing it, putting on shades, smirking as she left the white house. the video of that clap in the state of the union for donald trump went viral. you wrote about...

The midterm elections where he sent troops to the border where he aroused fears of a caravan heading to our southern border. this is another manufactured crisis and the courts won't fall for it. >> before you let you go, i must ask, jill, the final question is about your broach. today it looks like it's a frog. is there a statement there? i know you typically have a political reason behind your broaches? >> i do it's asking why are the republican toadies in congress still supporting this president? they need to grow a backbone and stand up for what is right for america. >> we will find out wha...

>> as long as it takes. look, i'm prepared. i think the people of the country think i'm right. >> is there any polling to support the people of the "think like a man he's right? i know that polling supports the idea they oppose the border wall. >> he's clearly looking at his own political base. because shutdowns are never popular, and also i think the -- other thing to remember too is that while federal workers, a lot of them who may live paycheck to paycheck, could forego their first paycheck as they come in every two weeks or so, there are also going to be federal contractors who aren't goin...

Legal analyst at msnbc. nice to see you tonight. >> good evening. nice to be here. >> let me put to you the same question a lot of us lawyers have been talking about. your former water.co-counsel, if you will, nick ackerman, believes it's a chinese financial institution. others say that it's more likely a hostile foreign country other than china, one that might fit more in mueller's orbit. what do you think? >> well, i'm sorry that the broach i ordered of a fortune teller's crystal ball hasn't arrived yet because maybe then i could answer the question. but really we're left with total speculat...