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Of cases in the past and now where there are crimes of aggression and there are various war crimes being committed. but, until you get someone to hold them accountable, sometimes no one is held accountable. or they may be held accountable in absentia, but it doesn't stop the aggression, it doesn't stop the war crimes. how do you expect this to happen here? where we see, firsthand, certain things that are happening. you make an important point, that were crimes are easy to witness and see, genocide is tougher. but, even with the war crimes, what do you do about it if no one's ever caught? >> th...

And i think they know those questions will be asked. i think they do not want to answer them, so i think they stay away. and i think that's, to me, it's the definite of cowardice and i think that's the only answer. they want to maintain the political position they have, and they know that if they showed up here today, they would be called hypocrites and rightly so. >> well, we'll call them hypocrites in absentia. i'm always grateful to call on you when news breaks but especially on a day like today when we try to cover the story and reflect a little bit. so, my gratitude. i treasure all of you...

Fiscal year 2021, coming from 150 countries, mark, do you think that the government should set up a tracking system so we have a better grasp? >> well, first of all, they shouldn't be releasing all of these people, it's illegal. the law specifically says they're either supposed to be detained or wait on the other side of the line in mexico. this is remain in mexico program. if you're going to release them, yes, tracking them better and they don't do a good job of that. a lot of them instead of a court summons where if they don't show up they're ordered deported in absentia. some of them are gi...

To speak about, but the problem simply cannot be allowed to drift on and on and be used as a reason for delaying justice. justice has to be delivered. it also has to be delivered. it also has to be delivered quickly. no more ten year trials leading to uncertain verdicts. the position is completely clear. there is no doubt about putting's responsibility. i hear people saying that the evidence may not be clear, of course it is, not only is it obvious that he instructed the shelling of civilians but, even if that evidence didn't exist, as soon as he sees a television programme showing what happen...

Of what we do as a country to enforce the good. remember, a british prosecutor and they are cc, there is a -- pending, but it is part of what we do to support those institutions and hold put into account. >> just to be clear, someone could be prosecuted in absentia. they don't have to be there at the icc. and, it doesn't actually matter that you might say -- a commanders might say that he is only following orders. just to be clear, anybody who takes steps that will be defined as a war crime can be, and will be prosecuted if you have your way, at the icc. whether they turn up, do not turn up, w...