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I don't know, i -- >> don't shrink from my question, why is trump throughout selling birtherism if he is going to deal with other smart business guys who make deals with him? >> look, i think he is off the reservation with that. he makes sense when he comes on on tuesday mornings, but the academictives i talk to are far more concerned -- >> you're dodging -- you're concerned with not mentioning this guys name, right? i'll gi you a freebie, let me go to heilemann on this. the biggest story was trump going nuts on the president's birther again. >> i know a lot of businessmen i report on. i know ...

If he is a business guy, why have birther talk that sounds intellectually crazy. >> there are so many issues involving washington, but not about obama. they're about congress. i don't know, i -- >> don't shrink from my question, why is trump throughout selling birtherism if he is going to deal with other smart business guys who make deals with him? >> look, i think he is off the reservation with that. he makes sense when he comes on on tuesday mornings, but the academictives i talk to are far more concerned -- >> you're dodging -- you're concerned with not mentioning this guys name, right? i'l...