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That went south. they're not going to find much. it's very difficult to determine even where it started in a situation like this because the building became fully involved. and it's been the conventional wisdom that you look for the deepest char. well, this whole thing is very deeply charred and the deepest char just means where it got the hottest and that's probably because of the ventilation that happened late in the fire. so, this looks like a very, very difficult scene to investigate. they're going to have to get some heavy equipment to get that metal roof structure out of there. and they'...

Smell like smoke, i have ash on my shoes. of course i don't. if i had, i would been arrested for homicide already because they would have had some evidence. they shaved my arms for some reason and cotton swabs of my ears and nose, i guess looking for smoke. they took fingernail scrapings of my fingers, looking through my apartment for accelerants, which i don't have any. >> while the investigation did lead to their current charges, seven months after their arrest, neither of the ochoas have been formally charged with murder or arson. >> i have to believe, i have to believe that one day as soon...

Of course i don't. if i had, i would been arrested for homicide already because they would have had some evidence. they shaved my arms for some reason and cotton swabs of my ears and nose, i guess looking for smoke. they took fingernail scrapings of my fingers, looking through my apartment for accelerants, which i don't have any. >> while the investigation did lead to their current charges, seven months after their arrest, neither of the ochoas have been formally charged with murder or arson. >> i have to believe, i have to believe that one day as soon as possible preferably that conrad and ba...

>> now, that put an entirely different complexion on things. this wasn't just a fire. >> so what did that tell you? >> this keys up. this is a crime scene. we basically extinguished a fire that left everything as is. >> then forensics investigator larry took over. >> the one thing that jumped out there that was out of place was a 5 gallon bucket sitting right in the middle of the living room floor with an empty bottle of rubbing alcohol. it didn't look like it belonged there. >> upstairs scattered near ann's body, found three aerosol cans. also accelerants. all liquid for murder. >> there was ...

More accelerants. as we do that the chopper pans out. i don't understand why police who are clearly heavily armed and clearly have their shields would allow this to continue. do you have a sense for why that -- the news conference by police delayed 15 minutes. you're not missing it. we will take that live the min tut happens. this is a remarkable scene. they clearly have the numbers here but they are not arresting. >> they clearly have the numbers. behind the police line you saw a whole lot more of those armored cars. but so far, at least, we haven't seen anything happen. the police line is pa...