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>> well, it was always absurd for the president to even suggest that mexico was somehow going to pay for this wall. what does the president plan on doing? sending the armed forces down to mexico city, raiding the bank of mexico, holding them up? i mean, this is just crazy. it was never a credible statement to begin with. and now the chickens are coming home to roost. and just as importantly, i'm very concerned about this suggestion that the armed forces, the military is going to be under an emergency basis compelled to build a wall, which they do not have the authority to do. the armed forces ...

Do you think it's some sort of scheme or -- >> no. i just don't think they're that well organized. in fact, i think president trump would be well served to have his homeland secretary go out there and actually articulate a responsible plan for border security. if they want to spend $5.6 billion, i'd like to know how they'll spend it. how many agents, how many miles of fence, how many miles of access road, technology. i don't hear anything other than build a wall. i mean it doesn't -- it's incoherent. >> michael here is shaking his head. i want to get you in but i want to ask you about somethin...

>> no. i just don't think they're that well organized. in fact, i think president president would be well served to be have his homeland go out there and actually articulate a responsible plan for border security. if they want to spend $5.6 billion, i'd like to know how they'll spend it. how many agents, how many miles of fence, how many miles of access road, technology. i don't hear anything other than build a wall. i mean it doesn't -- it's incohere incoherent. >> michael here is shaking his head. i want to ask you about something else. i got to ask april -- april, this is really important b...

On the line, those agents need an enduring capability to slow people thought if they come across that border. it provides an anchor for them to add technology, access roads and patrol to protect that border. you always have a safe reporter wary you have a barrier. there is no question in my mind about that. people don't believe that doesn't work, why do you have fences around your homes? why do you like your doors at night? that makes no sense. this is getting bottled up in the politics. we also need reforms on the immigration law and how it is operationalized. both of those things together wi...

Dumb barrier. we are talking about sensors, cameras, lighting, access roads for our agents. a system that helps us secure that area of the border. dean: that makes perfect sense to me. just call me the regular layman out in the street. there's the man that has to do it and that's what he is talking about. rachel: here wall, wall, wall. when you hear that commissioner speak some places need a wall. another steel slats other drones and technology. is the problem that the problem keeps saying wall and it's like ticking them off or allowing them to oppose it because it sounds like that's the only ...