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>> that's the thing, people knew about the hollywood tape and the accusers and they voted for him anyway. i think that's why he thinks this is working for him. it also is a strategy where he is at thumb tails with his entire media strategy. "the washington post" is out to get me. so i think this also works in his favor to kind of take to bat roy moore anyway. >> well-see how it continues to play. more on the president at roy moore after lashing out after al franken. ♪

Both? you can decide for yourself. how far is it personal? that's hard to deny. 13 reasons he won't say it -- 13 women who have gone on the record with claims about roy's past behavior. so, the president says they are all lying, all of them. so, if you're keeping score at home, he is fine saying franken is guilt rkt and bill clinton and he's not surprised about harvey window steen but he's wielded to extend the doubt to roy moore, and the man caught on tape saying this.

Be easily dismissed. there are a lot of people out there who watch that tape and say this is someone whose committed to this kind of behavior, which indicates it's not something that he at the time at least believed he was out of order. the white house also maintaining that these women who are accusing the president of wrong doing are still lying, even after all this time and promises of lawsuit they have a blanket statement that these women are just liears. and they provided no evidence to admit that they are. they just don't want to have the conversation and i think the president is drawn to...

I think i basically agree he's taking a gamble. it was a gamble he took on hollywood access tape, just shrug it off. the voters stuck with him and he won the election. he's trying to do the same thing here. that's old news, i don't want to get into that, talk about something else. we passed the big tax bill, that's what's more important. that will be a gamble paid off. i do think times have changed since the access hollywood tape. at that time people stuck with him because they had great hope he would tlifr jobs, promises, detail with obamacare and the rest, now they're not seeing that happeni...