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The negotiation, it's -- you know, they've gone above and beyond in terms of trying to get these back. i mean, if i steal something, i'm really not in a position to negotiate keeping them. they shouldn't have been there, but i think at this point they have no choice but to go retrieve them if he continues to hang onto them because of the threat that they pose and just, you know, what kind of secrets could these be? this could be defense information. it could be about our weapons system or technology, the kinds of things that a president might have access to, names of agents who are abroad, und...

After the break, we are heading to highland park illinois, where people are gathering for our rally to honor the victims of monday shooting. and to demand an end to gun violence, and how the communities go coping with the tragedy. and the new information we are learning about the suspects access to guns, stay with us. access to gives us the dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend.

You have evidence that tied him to the planning and the whole coup plot and i wonder how much of this is really an opportunity for these members to come in and put their own side of the story on evidence you've already collected from other witnesses? >> absolutely. i mean, we have interviewed over a thousand people. we've got hundreds -- over a hundred thousand documents, we have a lot of information that leads to certain conclusions. but these members were in the meetings. they were the ones that had the conversations. we want them to come in and tell what they know. this is a great opportuni...

And yet there is still our -- remember, an unpunished coup is just a training exercise. joining me now is carol leonnig, national part of the russian doesn't msnbc contributor as i mentioned, she's the coauthor of i alone can fix it, and the author of zero fail, the rise and fall of the secret service. carol, thank you so much for coming on the show i want to start with getting reaction on those comments from congressman raskin mitt -- committee's raskin suggesting secret service agents could've been coordinated with trump on 1/6 to prevent pence from doing his job? >> congressman raskin descr...

She's a national reporter for the washington post, and msnbc contributor. as i mentioned, she's the author of i alone can fix it, and also the author of the will fail: the resentful of the secret service. carol, thanks so much for coming on the show. i wanna start by getting your reaction to those comments from congressman, raskin, based on your reporting and what's coming out of the community. 's westminster jesting secret service agents could have been coordinating with trump on 16 to prevent pence from doing his job? >> congressman raskin describes information that we don't have all the acc...