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Or did you do nothing on the accountability side? >> and why didn't you have more security? >> that's right. and why didn't you deal with that straight? those are real questions divorced of politics. on the irs side, i'll tell you my worry there, gloria, were they targeting these people, was it wrong? let's say the answers are yes, yes. what was the politicians are going to want, that scrutiny is wrong. that's wrong because those groups, 501c-4 organizations, that's the dark money in politics, gloria. >> i agree. >> that's what you have to watch out for. >> i agree. and the perverse result of ...

When they see the scenes of torture they are going to ask if the means, if the ends justified the means. >> i think the film does not have an agenda. i think it just shows the story as the story of the greatest manhunt in history. that's part of that history. so we needed to, you know, basically show all the pieces of that puzzle. >> kathryn bigelow talking to matt lauer on the "today" show. the former fbi interrogator, jim clemente, what's your information on getting the record straight about what we know happened and there being accountability? because you're someone who worked inside the go...