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Plenty mentation or outcome. and shame on the department of defense. they should start firing hermine people over there. >> absolutely. the national defense authorization act which by the way the president veelted in a very public way, there is the beginning of acquisition reforms. so when you look at how the pentagon does business, i mean, we all know about the f-35 and that's cost way more than it should even though it's a great impact. how do we begin to fix the acquisition process and how do we fix a process like this. >> started indicting people for doing this. martha stewart and dennis h...

But different than someone who -- >> as you know, it's sometimes 20. reforming acquisition process. what do you mean? >> meaning right now, concept to combat of a weapons system takes decades of time and billions in cost override. so it's an antiquated process from the eisenhower era that means the weapons systems we got are usually outdated by the time they get there and cost way too much. it's because there is so much red tape and so much bureaucracy. everybody tries to do it. we need leadership at the top of the defense department to push something like that. >> we have manufacturing in my ...

To bruce's point, i think that we want to be careful if we're paying for this by cutting the first line of defense, which is our diplomacy, we should just be careful be that. david: but, steve, there's one thing about the r and d that concerns me. very often we start a program and it takes years, sometimes decades to complete it. by the time it's completed, the technology is obsolete. >> unfortunately, the defense department, like the food and drug administration practices moore's lawyer spelled backwards. the weapons systems go on and on and on and that's where real we form, general mattis, n...