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Edge ste -- rosenstein we get farther away from obstruction charges. obstruction charges require a specific intent to corrupt or stop an investigation. what it requires is really the absence of any other plausible explanations for the firing. so -- >> yeah. >> in this case double speak may actually be helping the president. >> and the other thing, zeke, that the president said was his use of the word "if." it was over whemg. he said it, zeke, if russia hacked, if russia did anything regarding our election. there's a lot of "ifs" that frankly are not ifs according to the uniform view of the u.s...

Well. it sounds like maybe it's this, maybe it's not. i'm not going to do much about it. that's not credible. just as the cover story they created about blaming everything in the last 48 hours on rosenstein and the department of justices and the whole question of the e-mails. i'm sorry. the president fired michael flynn 18 days layer after the story broke. that really showed that the vice president had been lied to bring flynn. the president knew when mcgann came to him that the vice president had been lied to. he should have taken action right then. >> a quick word to you, jeffrey lourd. on t...

He accepted the recommendation of rod rose steen. it was about the clinton e-mails, the mishandling of it. james comey remembered going out -- i think she used the word acrossity. now it's donald trump saying, yeah, i was going to do that anyway. this is donald trump. the blame for this, i actually -- i'm with jeffrey. i think that donald trump could have very easily said on january 21st you know what? i wasn't happy with james comey, we need a change. the problem is he did it on may 9th, not on january 21st. the explanation for why he did it, which is what is the most important thing, has cha...

President has in mind. i think the shifteding explanations given by the president and his team and it's more important for congress to do a thorough investigation and oversee what the fbi does to make sure they have the resources, they have the independence, whoever takes that job next. >> i want to ask you about that. the interim fbi director mccabe was testifying today. he said two very significant things. one was that the investigation into trump's ties to russia is a significant investigation for the fbi. that is the word he used. the other, though, is that so far, he says congressmanman, ...