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The pictures of those people on the fence, to try to push a political message that we have to be tougher. >> on a separate but related note, nbc news has confirmed that the i.c.e. deputy director is stepping down. what do we know about this. >> reporter: that's the acting director. he's been in the acting position through this administration unable to get a hearing to be confirmed. people i spoke to said that they think that's because he's always been so tough on immigration, that it would be very unlikely to get enough votes to get him through. but in this case it seems that he says he's reac...

Because, he says, they figured he would ultimately recuse himself and they didn't see any point or any utility into going to the deputy attorney general at that time because he was in an acting position, bill. >> bill: why did president trump go to other intelligence officials, catherine? >> what i learned last night from a source who has been close to these discussions is that after that first initial meeting in january with the f.b.i. director and then incoming president trump and he was told he was not the target or the focus of the f.b.i. investigation, as the months passed the president b...