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Specifics that's going to move this forward in a way that gets beyond simply the platitudes we've become used to hearing. >> shannon: it hard to measure because we talked last night about how there are these groups already were in the mainstream media saying no matter what, this is terrible, nothing is going to work, the president gets no credit because he either gives away too much or he does too little and it's too vague. can the president win when it comes to the mainstream media and their assessment of how he's doing? >> i don't think you can win. let's go back to where we were years ago u...

Ways. part of it is putting the narrative out there that looks at the long historical flow. one could say people don't eat in the long term, they eat in the short term. but i think there is an educational component. secondly, we have to be mindful of these disenfranchised communities. apprenticeship programs, how can we employ them? bringing them along and thirdly, we have to look at where we have successes and celebrate them. 20 years ago the balkans were ripped apart. they looked a lot like syria does today. ten years ago, colombia was the a disaster zone. we could do this we can work our wa...

He has been crammed into a cell, a style that's designed for eight people. there is 20 other terrorists. he has lost 50 pounds. i believe we are, what we are trying to do is raise as much awareness that we can create some action steps. we are able to get 75 to 80 signatures on a letter to the president continuing to keep the pressure on erdogan. >> shannon: i know the president said he has brought this up before face-to-face and also he has been tweeting saying they call him a spy. the president says, i am more a spy that he has. time to get him up to his family. what kind of leveraged we have...

Decades, raised a good portion of his family, this is an urgent situation. he has crammed into a cell designed for eight people, there are 20 other terrorists. he has lost 50 pounds and we are trying to raise awareness to create action steps, to get 75 to 80 signatures even just this afternoon on a letter to the president keeping pressure on her to one --erdogan. >> he has been sweet messaging publicly they call him a spy but i'm more spy than he is. time to get his home to the family. what leverage do we have with turkey in this situation? >> we have a lot of leverage. turkey is one of the 29...

And in the same places, all in the hopes of driving americans apart. stephanie, it is one of those things, we acknowledge lots of places try to interfere in people's elections, but once you have all these people saying, this is what happened, you have robert mueller, the intelligence leaders, congress, it's just weird that the president will not give a deep throated response to the idea that this is real and we need to fight it. >> how about more than a response, how about action steps? remember last week when we heard from the directors of national intelligence, i believe maybe it was christo...