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It's not going to happen. each president obama's budget acknowledges that. >> but it's a powerful point on the stump. if i have to put $6400 out of my pocket -- i don't have it -- >> this doesn't apply to anybody above the age of 55. it is in 2030 and 2050 and beyond after that. if we haven't fixed this problem by then -- that's the least of our concerns. >> what are the consequences of not dealing with this issue before the election? the economic consequences? >> the actuaries tell us every year we fail, we go $10 trillion deeper in the hole in unfunded promises. for medicare, it's in the nei...

Economics. >> well, it is, but it's actually not a huge driver of the deficit. social security, i think -- well, not only i think but even the actuaries say overall is in pretty good shape. little minor changes in social security. the real problem is this debt and deficit and medicare is a huge driver of that, but so is the lack of revenue. so is the fact that we keep cutting taxes for rich people, like me, and president obama said it, like himself as well. the notion -- by the way, that 12 years is too long to cut the spending but mr. ryan's proposal, our viewers should know, does not come in...

>> greta: judge hudson in virginia wasn't going to throw out the whole thing. >> that speaks to what we end up doing. if the mandate is pulled away then the entire bill collapses. the whole reason this health care thing works on paper, which i don't think it will work any way, they are forcing healthy people to buy health insurance to cross subsidize sicker people. why would a healthy young 24-year-old buy health insurance on their own if it is more expensive to buy health insurance than not having it? if you get insurance, if you are sick and buy insurance you don't pay any more. you can buy ...

Represents the $2 trillion tax increase, and be that as it may, yes. health care continues to be a contentious debate in washington, i mean, i think it is instructive the congressional budget office is most -- that gave the plan the score, did not change the long term cost estimates and the actuaries at the centers for medicare and medicaid services they actually say it will increase the national health care bill. so, until we change the architecture of the health care plan, that was recently passed by congress, and reform medicare for future generations, grandfathering all of the grandparents...

Grandchildren. somebody said they are stalking horses for taxes. i'm a stalking horse for my grandchildren. this is not what about george w. or even what this president did. this is a situation where i hope and my naive green pea way that we can get all 18 of these fine people to say this is where we are. this is where we are. we are using only the actuaries of social security. we are using only the actuaries of healthcare. we are using only cbo figures. we are not going to go by our own figures. we are not going to say we are going grow our way out of this. we could have double growth for 30 ...