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Debt. >> what they still have to pay off. >> it's not just that, though. there's also debt in terms of what they borrowed in august. that's part of what they are paying off. i think this report is not going to be revealing as the next round of reports. >> no doubt about it. if you look at the president's campaign from '08 to owe 12, a 25, 30% increase in what it cost. so 2016, does that mean it's going to cost, to be the nominee for the president of the united states between 1.5 and $1.8 billion? >> we're never going back to the days of public financing. it's going to keep going up. you're not...

Numbers. throw everything up here. $58 million this week alone for the obama campaign, $20 million romney. $16.5 million. restore our future, $3.4 million. look, money, money, money. we know it's -- it is the enormous amount of point levels. >> so this is what i always struggle with. it is $58 million. you are talking about 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 points. >> $58 million this week total. the entire ad budgets for bush-gore in 2000 in the fall was less than $140 million. >> john mccain spent $92 million in the general election in 2008. here's what i wonder. with all this money, is it possible for ev...