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The peck itself. he was fired by bush. and then he goes on letterman. then to letterman's credit i went through mainly to sell some books. but letterman didn't insult rumsfeld. he didn't insult him. he obviously letterman's bias was on display and rumsfeld equited himself okay. but in your opinion, these appearances don't really enhance the secretary's reputation. >> no. for two reasons, bill. first, you know, i would call -- he has had several opportunities what i would call a mcnamara moment. where does the buck stop if not with him. he has bad mouthed a number of folks. i heard him during o...

He was fired by bush. and then he goes on letterman. then to letterman's credit i went through mainly to sell some books. but letterman didn't insult rumsfeld. he didn't insult him. he obviously letterman's bias was on display and rumsfeld equited himself okay. but in your opinion, these appearances don't really enhance the secretary's reputation. >> no. for two reasons, bill. first, you know, i would call -- he has had several opportunities what i would call a mcnamara moment. where does the buck stop if not with him. he has bad mouthed a number of folks. i heard him during one of the intervi...

The peck itself. he was fired by bush. and then he goes on letterman. then to letterman's credit i went through mainly to sell some books. but letterman didn't insult rumsfeld. he didn't insult him. he obviously letterman's bias was on display and rumsfeld equited himself okay. but in your opinion, these appearances don't really enhance the secretary's reputation. >> no. for two reasons, bill. first, you know, i would call -- he has had several opportunities what i would call a mcnamara moment. where does the buck stop if not with him. he has bad mouthed a number of folks. i heard him during o...

The president came right off marine one on the south lawn of the white house, marched right into the oval office and had a meeting with his national security team shortly thereafter. that statement you referred to came out. the president seeking clarification. hey, just exactly what does that mean? how is this transition going to go, president mubarak? but to the end, it should be noted that the president -- from the president on down, state house firms never overtly and publicly called for mubarak to step down. to the end, they were sort of hedging, walking that tight diplomatic line, the sha...

>> one of the oldest adages in campaigning and governing is prose. what happens if they back down on the wall? >> if you ask his base, they would be furious. to some extent, kelly is describing what we have seen happen before. the president for months now has not talked about the border wall as a 2,000-mile long concrete barrier. he has listened to the department of homeland security when they say it is not feasible. you heard him shift a little bit. the wall became a powerful symbol for his campaign. he refuses to stop using the notion of some wall specifically. when he actually is pressed on...