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Military families they are speaking to make, and what its like to be one of them. And so they speak obviously from their own personal experience. And, you know, we will tune in when the president starts speaking about what message he wants to send this memorial day. We know this has long been something that the first lady has made a priority. She, even as second lady, during the obama administration, working with the former first Lady Michelle obama, made working with and supporting military families a priority, a project that they made sure stayed at the forefront of the administration. And t...

>> so then what works? because the sanctions obviously haven't worked. let's add attempts to isolate russia from international community. that has not worked. what are they considering? what possibly could they do. >> it's a great question, victor. and they're stuck here in a little bit of what in the cyber world they call the escalation trap. people use cyber and nations use cyber because they know that most countries are not going to take military action. they're not going to risk an escalation of a serious confrontation for a hack, even a very damaging one. and so it's sort of a free-fire z...