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Dangerous place if it's not addressed adequately. the union should be involved. and as i said, if they are not going to involve the union the worst case mayorio, the union should bind together with all players and everybody agree we won't take the field at all. >> mark thompson, appreciate your perspective. >> thank you. well head next to capitol hill where the house has passed the first legislation in decades to overhaul the nation's prison system. there are some 2.3 million people behind bars here in the united states. but there are still some major hurdles ahead for the bill. it all cente...

>> i think this would have been a brutal confirmation hearing no matter who was the president. he would have faced a difficult hearing no matter what, regardless of who was in office, but it is likely to be more difficult given the fact that this white house has not s adequately vetted past nominees, which has made lawmakers deal like it is up to them, partisan climate or otherwise and to do some of that vetting on tv. and as you said, this president is one who has expressed support for torture in the past, so politics aside, this was going to be a tough hearing. >> this is just more news that...

But with regarding credibility, not only his, but others, it's not just giuliani. it is white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders. it's chief of staff john kelly. they're all among others whose credibility is now being questioned. so what are the potential implications of this? and i'm just curious, when you look to the white house, to whom do you look for, you know, people who are going to speak and say things you're going to believe? >> yeah, you know, i certainly look to see any time mercedes comments on something. she's a very seasoned professional. i always look to what she's say...

To do that knowingly, that's a felony. a violation. other people have been, charged for failing to disclose adequately loans made to them by others, we have to look carefully about that there's already an existing lawsuit on that finally my big question, is there bank or wire fraud implicated here? because if the president and michael cohen conspired in advance to move money to hide this from regulators or to deceive the bank from the true nature that michael cohen was taking to front this cash, that's something to look at and the way that mueller laid this out in a manafort indictment to know...

Some kind of written response. obviously that's the approach his lawyers would prefer to minimize his legal exposure. we don't know how aggressively the mueller team is going to try to push to get the president to sit down with the special counsel. so it will be interesting to see whether the legal team feels with these questions in hand they can prepare the president adequately, or if they're still going to push to keep him away from that sitdown interview at all cost, even if they know walking through the door what it is mueller is going to be asking the president. >> i'm happy that you all ...