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Capitol and the reporters were covering him. did you see? he paused for a moment. i don't know which reporter it was that said, do you -- do you know that there are fewer than five -- or five or more that are going to remain opposed to you? and he stopped, and he thought for a second, and he said, we're going to get there. that was his answer in that moment. but it's not just that chip roy doesn't know how many he can bring over if he signs on the rules package. more importantly, kevin mccarthy doesn't know how many they're going to bring over. i mean, the work today -- and i agree with you. a...

Every time? i don't know yet. only time will tell. again, just like i have since the summertime, i'm going to continue to negotiate in good faith for what i think is best for the american people on what i do think is best is the frame work that we have that really radically changes how things are done so we don't get these midnight, 2:00 a.m., 4,000 pages, 1.7 trillion bills jammed down our throat. that's one of the big things that -- >> martha: there's no doubt that there's a lot of disgruntlement over this omnibus. that might be too nice a word for it. that a lot of people don't want to see ...

People who was the original five that came out and said they wouldn't vote for kevin mccarthy under any circumstances. chip roy who was leading the push, most recently. this is a huge moment for them. there are big problems to come after this, if kevin mccarthy does get there. some of the promises that have been made, as we talk a lot about and we're hearing more about what could be in this deal, that it disturbs me frankly quite a bit how that will play out in practice but kevin mccarthy is very much within striking distance right now. >> the other piece of intel we had was democrats were tol...

A big affect to be standing between the new speaker and definitely got to work them, boebert, you know, i think is very malleable, and somebody who tends to follow the crowd a bit, so i can see her, so there are a lot of targets, and there are a lot of places that we can go and we know gaetz and goodwill never be there and the remaining handful, i'm looking at a list, i can make an argument that you can get a part of it. rosendale very passionate but largely arguing about policy, procedure, and if you're just worrying about procedure, that person is definitely in play. so a lot of opportunity ...

A huge caveat to make, given what we've all just gone through, but if nothing changes here, and this framework agreement holds, then it does sound like, when they come back from this adjournment around 10:00 tonight, that mccarthy should have the votes for speaker by then. this buys them the time that they need to do this final straggler negotiating and hopefully get to where they need to go. >> heather cable, punchbowl news managing editor joining us. what are the next six and a half hours of kevin mccarthy's life look like. what is happening behind closed doors for him and his team? >> yes, ...