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Something broader than that, which is, you have an obligation under federal law to comply. because it's not your call or my call or maya's call. it is the call of justice, which we have prosecutors charged and forced to adjudicate. what do you say to her point that it's not your call? >> i say you're right, and it may not be my call, but here's what i also say, why do they not indict podesta, podesta's brother? >> probably according to the reports has significant foreign lobbying exposure here. the. >> he worked for man for tmanaf. here's where we can agree to disagree. i always find that with...

He'd owned these guns, purchased these guns legally. what was law enforcement to do? again, it was not illegal to have mental health issues. in fact, we operate within a system where there are real deficiencies in terms of the availability of treatment, the availability of care. we've seen this time and time again. >> if people have mental health issues should people be allowed to get their hands on a gun? what can we do in the interim to figure it out before it is adjudicated, as has been mentioned so many times on the air today, how do you keep them from doing it? there's a new picture of th...

Because they hadn't been adjudicated and they weren't guilty of crimes so there's no background check -- >> there is, there actually is. >> adjudicate it -- that's the problem. >> how are you going to -- >> this young man -- >> if he hasn't committed a crime -- >> joan, wait. you can do a background check, have the length be longer, you can -- >> if you're trying to -- >> you can have it where it doesn't have to be adjudicated, it could be a doctor. you could send people to be checked. to check their records. >> if you're saying we should pay more attention to people who are troubled and menta...

Ought to lay a couple on the table. where does state's budge the money to put someone in an intervention program before they acquire a gun before the age of 18. there's a specific state budgetary question and insurance question. what do you do with a kid like that, question one. what do you do with the social media company. i'm not blaming them. i'm not blaming youtube. but we talk about free speech and social media that allow postings from bots in our election cycles. what about postings like this. let me give you one final comment and be very specific. a judge has to look at somebody and let...

Mass shooting -- >> you can't even take the baby steps. why can't you take the baby steps? >> this young man was known to the police. police came to his house multiple times. and he got a gun. >> i agree, there should be more intervention. >> and there should be police records -- >> it should be easier to compel people who are seriously mentally ill. obviously we need -- >> should they be able to get guns? >> if they haven't been adjudicated, gun ownership is an individual right. if i said to you, the media's part of the problem here -- >> should this -- >> we need to ban the media from talkin...