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Have an interest in health care starting with the consumer, the patients, the parents, and then going into doctors and all the other adjuncts that go along with putting together a health care package, they haven't done that. they don't know what the reaction is going to be overall and a lot of members are nervous about that. they think they're going to get this thing voted and off the table and we're going to focus on infrastructure a trillion dollars and then tax cuts. we don't know how much that's going to be. they're playing to the democrats' card when they start putting in place those piec...

Job. yeah. >> because adjuncts and graduate teaching students are doing the teaching that we should be doing. so we benefit from the subsidy of teaching assistants so it's our job to say no, this is not right. said university. we need more tenured track lines, to go back actually in many ways to the way higher ed -- we have the best system of higher education in the world or we used to primarily because of the model of full time faculty being able to have time for teaching and research. so we need to get back to that and what's exciting is much like walmart workers and other low wage workers, ...

Campus who maybe don't have ph.d.'s or there are fewer sort of courses to be taught and therefore sort of less to go around. that tends to be the counter argument. >> well, that's probably, that would be an argument but i think there would probably be some sort of a transitional phase. i am of the old school of adjuncts, professional who is coming into this world without any knowledge of the academia per se but bringing my professional experience from the performing arts, from the music business. so that certainly i would think that there would still be a place for people like me and like my h...

Students because students pay exactly the same tuition for courses taught by adjuncts as for taught by full time faculty so they should get the same support. >> as you think of the labor organizer here then, and i'm hearing okay, there's the same fear that we heard when we were talking with colby harris about the idea someone could be fired or rather not renewed. how do you start to build on a campus from the folks who do have relative privilege and voice, thinking about tuition paying students, tenured faculty, how do you get them on the side? >> i'm a member of the professional staff congres...

Vernence, people who are adjunct faculty almost never have a vote on the decisions being made. >> this is an example of one of the institutions, higher education and seeing the walmartization, i made that up, but seeing the walmartization of higher education, jobs. what we're seeing in terms of the economy is affecting every kind of institution. so greater reliance on part-time, and adjunct faculty with no benefits. it does affect student learning conditions. if you are running around trying to prep for this course, meet with student, grade papers, teach a course 20 miles away, another at anot...