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What do you expect was learned from that? >> i suspect steve bannon is most interesting to bob mueller's team for what he saw in that first six months in the white house. if you go back to the obstruction of justice investigation, all the key events really happened right after the president took office when he started his first series of conversations with james comey up through the firing of jim comey, the meddling, the request to the intel community to meddle in the investigation, all the way through the reports of that trump tower meeting and that misleading statement that the president dic...

Can't get through electronic methodologies. for example, just knowing when people came onto the job. that would be either someone who was a senior manager who was in there or a person who was a line manager or watch officer who had access to the office, the admin office. the e-mails themselves those aren't the things we would get from nsa, put into an indictment. that would be kept classified because it would show you the method methodology. i think this is an asset that we have. >> you're the expert, i'm an amateur, i'm a guy reading this indictment. as i read it, confirm something for me. it...

Are on your list of big names we've yet to see take that walk. >> that's right. i can't see a situation where mueller's team's not interested in having a real conversation with the three of them. it would make sense to have that conversation before you talk to the president. obviously we know those negotiations are happening right now. obviously mueller doesn't like to have long, languishing investigations. he likes to move. for people scoring at home, you have in the first year in office president trump's national security advisers pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his russian contacts...

That's because evidence is intelligence that's now in the hands of the justice department and what you are seeing is intelligence that's been sanitized that now has come to the hands of the justice department and is put into an indictment. i really think that this is -- even though there's an aspect to it that appears it's been taken from data, this looks like someone who was on the inside. someone who had been working in that office, had accessed the administration department in that office, and got us, essentially, organization chart of that office and knew every person, knew about how much ...

To russia's road map to covert operations. it's an astonishing deal. >> and listen to what this exposes and reveals about our own human intelligence effort, kind of heartening if you're cheering on the home team here, which hopefully everybody is. 20 hours in front of mueller's team for steve bannon. what do you have make of that? >> i suspect steve bannon is most interesting to bob mueller's team for what he saw in that first six months in the white house. if you go back to the obstruction of justice investigation, all the key events really happened right after the president took office when ...