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End of it you come out with advantages. >> you're in college here in new york? >> mm-hmm. >> just on a final note here, there was a moment when the two of you asked -- it was about the inauguration of president obama. we've just been talking about president obama. has watching his presidency as a young man made you feel more optimistic or pessimistic about the possibilities of racial engagement in this country? >> well, of course i feel popt mystic but i try to lift things beyond race. free throwing up in dalton, like michele says, you oar able to integrate into two different scenarios. what i...

South carolina, not a republican state by any stretch of the imagination. the republican elect cat was 36% very conservative, 32% somewhat conservative, 32% moderate or liberal. really this very conservative group only makes up a little of a third of the primary electorate in a really red stat state. it's that somewhat conservative that's the real center of gravity. i think we'll see as we come upon these new deadlines and worry are we going to watch these same movies over and over again, some of the conservative groups will say i don't like the affordable care act but i don't know if i want t...

Take hold, give us an opening to re-evaluate sequestration? >> i this point about defense. i hadn't heard it articulated previously. one of the things i did wonder sort of and whether or not your polling shows or whether or not you have the sense of it on the ground, is whether or not the shutdown changed the minds of any sort of ordinary republican voters about the fundamental question of whether or not government in fact does something for them. right? part of what we kept seeing was people going, wait a minute, that government? i can't go there? is there any point that there may be a shifti...

Wall street journal" that they are going to continue to fight this battle. right? and in fact, so jim demint is saying we are not going to back down on obama care, that even after this whole thing we're going to keep coming after it. does the -- do the website problems which are probably mostly technical in nature create an argument that is more systemic in nature for demint and others to keep coming after it? >> i think they'll try to leverage it, which is why, even though i agree with addressing immigration reform, i think the website technicality issue is probably something that needs to be...

Done. >> or not. >> or not. right? there are two models in recent experience of the celebrity senator going in one direction or the other. there was senator hillary clinton, who entered the body with great discretion and worked together to serve others, and it inured to her benefit within the institution. then of course there's ted cruz, on a solo mission. while they may have increased his celebrity, it certainly will have reduced his capacity to get anything done even amongst his republican colleagues. i would assume senator elect booker will follow the hillary clinton model. >> i wanted to m...