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Your choice of words, mischievous. come on, peggy. >> what -- >> no, i would never accuse you of that. but -- >> i don't understand mischief. >> what? >> it is political mischief. >> what? >> when you take -- >> trying to get -- >> when you take a serious political issue and put it forward, break it apart in a way that is not true that may excite people who you think deep in your heart are sort of uninformed. >> okay. >> and that -- if the white house is turning this into an argument about contraception so that normal people who -- let's admit it, listen to the news peripherally and have real ...

All. e.j. and i would agree that sometimes we agree on very big essential things. we would also agree that it was really a relief the past three weeks to have conservative catholics, liberal catholics, progressive, catholics in the middle, all agreeing on one thing. it was so -- >> doesn't happen often. >> no, it was beautiful. now, look, we have survived as a church 2,000 years disagreeing on things. we've always had internal wars, they'll continue. i'm not a sanguine as e.j. is about the president's solution to the problem. i think what the president did on friday was come forward with more,...

The washington post e.j. dionne. great table we have. >> good to be with you. >> great to have you all around. let's dive right in. yesterday we were on "meet the press" talking about -- by the way, tom brokaw's mike's on. >> he's on deck. >> we could listen to his -- >> we want to save tom from -- the call to his bookky. anyway, e.j., with business taken care of. i still hear that low baritone voice, take tom's mike down. e.j., let's now after the second attempt move to what we were talking about yesterday and that is something you wrote a column about, contraception and the cost of culture -...

It's becoming the theater of which all locals are fighting things out from turkey, iran, to iraq and everybody else. and it's way, way too soon to take that step. >> and by the way, i know there will be some anti-obama people that will be shocked, shocked that i would say this. but you can look at libya and see some things that happened there that helped us. by "leading from behind." which means getting out of our own way and letting the arab league condemn libya before we go in with bombs. here we've got the arab league now getting involved in this. taking strong steps, and now the syrians ar...

It went wrong 10, 15 years ago, hid what's happening, what went wrong in spain. we still have a chance. we've got to take it. >> yep. >> we can talk about this because greek lawmakers voted to approve tough new austerity measures. a plan that triggered the country's worst rioting in years. look at this video. the deal would slash $4 billion from the budget and call for a harsh pension cuts and elimination of 15,000 jobs. it paved the way for greece to receive about $170 billion in loans from foreign leaders to keep the country from defaulting on its debt. violence erupted in seven cities inclu...