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Sense to me. in fact, remember, we have said for years, repeal and replace. some people say, okay, let's replace it, but we will do theay repeal first and we'll come back and do the replace later. but that means we got to get 60 votes for every one of those proposals. i would love to get as many of those proposals within reconciliation, which means they only need 51 votes. they are some we will not be able -- >> bill: a you are talking about the senate now on a reconciliation bill. okay. i am more philosophical here. all right? okay, some conservatives just want to repeal it outright and then ...

Not that the government forces them to buy. >> what are the basic differences in -- purchasing across state lines? >> purchasing across state lines, equalize the tax treatment for individuals so folks have the same tax incentive to purchase health coverage as businesses. you make it so every single american has the financial feasibility to make deductions through credits and advancable credits. and wonderful ways to save hundreds of billions of dollars in health care by ending the practice of defensive medicine. >> not only do you know this and are you on the advice chair of the budget committ...

Defense, reframing the debate, he's the guy with all the ideas, and republicans are bereft of ideas. >> well, he knows that's not true, and that's what i pointed out at our retreat. and he may be trying to set us up, but the fact of the matter is that the problem that he has is with the american people. the problem is he has is that the proposal that the democrats have put on the table is objected to by the vast majority of the american people. that's why we need to start again, we need to move back to square one. gregg: if you are not bereft of ideas, what are your idea? >> i shared them with...

But you can get people covered through a series of tax deductions and credits and advancable credits. we have to solve the insurance challenges, you ought not lose your insurance if you change your job or lose your job. gregg: how about competitive state sales, would you advocate that? >> absolutely. gregg: cough rat not terminated due to illness? >> we ought to end the practice of preexisting illness and injury but do it through a way that allows people to pick the insurance they want, not the government dictating it to them. the way to do that is expand not just high risk pools but ability t...