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And the president of south korea. we're at the beginning of september now. u.n. general assembly is a couple weeks away. how important are all of those leaders coming together in one room? >> i think it's important, but we've got to make sure that president trump puts the pressure on them. it's not just our adversarieadv. it's president moon. he wants to get more money in the hands of the north koreans. his most recent initiative is a sanctions violation. it's to open up a liaison in the dmz. the trump administration has been leaning on him but we have to do more. >> it seems as if the chinese...

Jong-un's brutality toward his own people and to prisoners and to others in order to have a conversation, to get in the room, to develop a relationship, to pull north korea back from the brink. this will be the ultimate test of that. but this is as far as we can get with president trump in terms of a doctrine toward these dictator types on the world stage. he has always been willing to say, what i want to do is get in the room with you, get to the table with you. i'm willing to put aside, to look the other way with some of this other stuff. and i think that's what we're seeing here. >> and tha...