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Government had to deal with and he was trying to fix it. basically his theory was if he could just get rudy's and zelensky's advicsers that perhas he could convince them that zelensky was someone good to work with and help -- >> in the face of russia. >> exactly. it's not clear that rudy or trump was interested in doing that. they seemed to be according to the whistle-blower complaint be more interested in pushing their own agenda and the president's political interests. >> you write volker knew the risks when he signed up to help manage the u.s./ukraine relationship. here's what rudy giuliani...

With this to relationships with canada, relationships with germany and western partners, to jobs. this is now all playing out in the public eye, something that is normally a dispute behind the scenes, what some advisers say, what do other advicsers say. >> thank god you have your decoder ring. we were looking at his twitter account this morning, jackie, because we were wondering how the president might react to sam nunberg, how he might react to this man who became the center of the media stage, at least for several hours starting yesterday afternoon and well into the morning. how much danger ...