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Confront so many crises and can controversies across so many fronts at the same time. after 13 months in office, there's little expectation among many white house aides and allies that trump can quickly find his footing or attract new top flight talent to the west wing. all right, as of tonight, you cite 16 sources. so the leaking business is robust these days in washington. is there any more stability tonight than say, let's pick a long time ago. a lot of night. >> no. >> continue, please. >> the people we talked to, white house officials, outside adviseors, all page the same picture. morale ...

Find his footing or attract new top flight talent to the west wing. all right, as of tonight, you cite 16 sources. so the leaking business is robust these days in washington. is there any more stability tonight than say, let's pick a long time ago. a lot of night. >> no. >> continue, please. >> the people we talked to, white house officials, outside adviseors, all page the same picture. morale in the west wing is as low as it's been in months. the recent tough stretch, they all point to one thing, the departure of rob port he, a chain react which has had a significant effect.

They think they can own it. so in this case, it would not surprise me if his lawyers and his associates and his adviseors are saying, don't do it. as a matter of fact, you can wait. you have work to do as president of the united states. should you wait on doing that interview. i think for the good of the country, they should work out a deal to have this done so we can put this behind us one way or the other. the whole mess, the optics for the fbi are not great right now. and the optics certainly for the president and the attorney general are not good. i would like to see all of this get settle...

>> lindsey graham is exactly right. putin is our enemy because he chooses to be. he undercuts us wherever he can. he is helping north korea right now. he is also, of course, trying to push us out of syria now that islamic state has been defeated. he is helping iran, and of course he is still messing around in european elections. i think it's just -- president trump i'm very glad that he listened to his adviseors and ducked a formal meeting. he may not be able to evade an informal one at the dinner but the important thing is for us not to give putin credibility he hasn't earned. >> sandra: i kn...

Pretty radical, much more radical than even national ones. you have a highly, highly ideological unwillingness to do it. so the state ends up getting absolutely fleeced. >> right. and throwing that kind of money out the door at the local level, that may be republican in some of these states. it's certainly not conservative. state senator luz lucas and ezra klein, thank you both for joining he manhattan me tonight. >> thank you. >> for having me on. elizabeth warren tries to help millions of americans who have a lot of student loan debt. helping them might even help the economy. your big oi...