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>> i want to get to this question of people's self-interests. david, you have two narratives going on. one, literally no one, including donald trump and his wife, melania, expected him to win or even necessarily wanted to win. they thought they would win by losing and they would set up media empires of their own. at the same time, you've got two distinct people who were described as themselves thinking they are presidential material. let's start with stoeve bannon. bannon was telling people that he was going to run for president in 2020. if i was president was turning into when i am president....

The same way. if he's useful to trump, he'll be back at some point and vice versa. >> yeah, the weird drama between roger ailes, rupert murdoch and donald trump between all of this is just bizarre. >> spectacular. >> i want to get to this question of people's self-interests. david, you have two narratives going on. one, literally no one, including donald trump and his wife, melania, expected him to win or even necessarily wanted to win. they thought they would win by losing and they would set up media empires of their own. at the same time, you've got two distinct people who were described as ...