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Oversee the people that you roll out, you know, governing by photo op in this case was extremely detrimental. i think as time went on, the campaign tried to get more control, operational control, but this guy based on the reading of it, if you've been in a presidential campaign you know the type, serial exaggerator of their resume, somebody with no real experience, can't track down where they ever worked. >> that's where i got all my jobs, by the way. >> but these people, these people orbit campaigns. the difference is most of the time, the folks running big campaigns know to get them out. >> ...

Mueller. and we need to send a message that a check will exist, a tree judge panel will be in place to stop them unless a good cause is going to be shown under established standards. and the bipartisan coalition we had to leading republicans, four democrats, i'm proud to be among them who are going to work for this legislation. >> my ultimate question, do you think the public sees through these attacks because president trump inflated how many people attended his inauguration. i'm sure you remember that. he lied about phone calls with the boy scots, the president of the mexico. talks about thi...

Inauguration. i'm sure you remember that. he lied about phone calls with the boy scouts, the president of mexico. talks about thing being the biggest or the best. he an exaggerator in chief some people call him. so do you think the public sees through these attacks? >> the public knows that this nation faces real problems, an immigration system that is broken and needs to be repaired, made fairer and more humane and more effective. it knows that we need a better health care system that reduces the cost of pharmaceutical drugs and health care generally. it knows that we need a more inclusive ec...

So, chris, what about these phone calls? the president makes a hard statement, quickly denied by various groups. >> a hard same that paints him in the most possible favorable light. they said it was the greatest speech ever delivered. you know, he is a serial exaggerator, this is not new, everything is the best, the newest, it doesn't always matter what he's talking about. but these are relatively trivial things, but if you are willing to, let's say, stretch the truth, if possible make it up from whole cloth, but at least stretch the truth regarding phone calls, or if you made them at all. , s...

Ambassador or no conversation. so, it seems like the president is sort of putting his people out there and they're stepping into all sorts of things. >> it does. and for those of us who have children, you've had subordinates in your work position, if you ask a direct question that might be concerning to that person three times and it's answered three times differently, you start to wonder whether you're getting the truth in any of those answers. and i feel like we're in the middle of that now where the truth seems to be constantly shifting. and we all know, those of us -- you're one of them wh...