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Maybe led by westerners but every single peern that fights is an afghan and we need to pull our combat brigades out of that region. >> gary -- we've got over the next five years, $7.5 billion going to afghanistan, they are a major recipient of u.s. money. you brought it up, the af-pak problem, it may be that pakistan is double-dealing. helping the u.s. on one front and the taliban on another front. do you believe that to be true? >> it is a problem. you attempt to integrate afghanistan more into central asia and away from pakistan. this is a very, very heavy lift, as i stated. it's going to re...

Afghanistan, do you see the capture of bin laden affecting the pace and timing of the planned withdrawal of u.s. troops from afghanistan? >> no. i think that the president's plan is on track. you can see the operation that took place on sunday within the context of this plan that the president put in place for afghanistan and pakistan and within the context of his broader commitment as a candidate and as president to refocus our attention on the af-pak region which is the home to what they call al qaeda central and was recently the home to the leader of al qaeda. this president was very determ...