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think that for the major back order, the secured lender, the bond order should be the one of the optional creditors but to be honest it's suspected the bond order could only recover 2% to 3% under liquidation scenario and currently the bonds issued by evergrande are also trading at around up to 2 cents to the dollar, we believe that the most viable assets by evergrande are offshore assets which include the shares of the properties of electric vehicles divisions. meanwhile we think that it divisions. meanwhile we think thatitis divisions. meanwhile we think that it is virtually imposs...

its outstanding debt. of course, evergrande has more than $300 billion worth of liabilities, reportedly, and it has been trying to come up with this restructuring plan and the judge has been postponing the decision up until now. whether or not this process will be followed remains to be seen because i have been speaking to a pot of expert to say that despite the one country to system slogan there are some thorny jurisdiction system slogan there are some thornyjurisdiction issues. so, even though, if this report is concerned, the liquidator will be appointed by a hong kong court, whet...

the route that has really - the route that has really gathered steam over the past couple weeks, really a reflection of the fact that there is the unrelenting sentiment when it comes to challenge now —— chana. household businesses particularly in china and not feeling exuberant about the economic recovery. this latest measure is really a band—aid solution rather than finding an actual solution to the problem. it's been more about the bigger problem. how deep into the problems 7 ? i think the property market is one that — ? i think the property market is one that is _ ? i thin...

you think they will be able to get their money back? i think that apart _ get their money back? i think that apart from _ get their money back? i think that apart from the _ get their money back? i think that apart from the secure i that apart from the secure lender, this should be the one offshore creditors, but to be honest, we expect these bondholders can still on the recover approximately 2% to 3% in a liquidation scenario. currently, by also trading around one to 2 cents on the dollar. so at this point, we believe that the most valuable assets owned by ever grand are still the o...

if you look at the headline numbers... is suggest that results are mixed. but actually when you look at the actual results and also what companies are telling, there are two factors that matter to us, monetisation and capital expense. they look at monetisation, for example, across the board, we are seeing cloud revenue and contribution is almost like 5% for some of the companies out there. so that gives us comfort. in terms of graphics, clearly companies are spending on it, but in terms of compute, this is one area where they have been quite bullish recently. long story short, despit...