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Without knowing absolutely for sure what was going on. when the president said i want nothing, no quid pro quo, it certainly sounded like a classic example of someone protesting too much and someone using a term they had heard somebody else use. of course it was widely observed trump sort of asserting affirmatively that he didn't want a quid pro quo really wouldn't make sense in the course of the conversation sondland described unless the president himself knew that he was facing allegations of having engaged in that kind of a behavior. and "the new york times" story basically firms up the ass...

Campaign, to pressure ukraine's officials to manufacture dirt on the bidens. >> and that will be interesting to see what comes out of that. and i know there's already been some information based on reporting from our sources that we have on volker and sondland's testimony. we'll have a chance to read it and so will folks inside the white house. they have not been happy, i think, with the way that this process has unfolded, as the president you were in kentucky with him last night, really went off yet again on this whistle-blower. >> reporter: the president has hinted at this the last 48-72 hou...

You put that investigation next to a real fbi investigation, the differences are numerous and i think the key is likely to be the so-called tip line that the investigators ran for -- effectively for the white house in the kavanaugh investigation i don't think they did a real tip line, i don't think they looked at what came in, i don't think they ever followed up on a lead in my experience it was a very weird thing as a former united states attorney to watch the fbi affirmatively turning away and deflecting and repelling information. the fbi is a machine for the collection of information and fe...

Heard pre-trump, which seems like such a long time ago, was that the party was reaching out more to people of color, blacks and others. what happened to that? i mean, it seems as though the party is just in many ways abandoned that altogether, explain to me how you feel about that and whether you think that's a mistake? >> it's a hostage mistake. you know when i was governor, i actually had the firsting aen american chief of staff in south cloip history. i had more african-american cabinet members than any other republican or governor in south carolina history. ki go down a long different thin...

So. so both lying affirmatively and then failing to tell the truth when he had an obligation to do so. >> martha: we don't know whether or not his name is going to be intertwined into the reports that are still to come out, the larger report from the inspector general michael horowitz and then john durham's report, as an attorney, state state's attorney report that's coming out, but bill barr, who has seen more of these documents and you have seen more of them as well, i just want to remind everyone, said this about what's to come. >> yes, i think spying did occur. i'm not going to speculate a...