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Before that i'm aware of. that's one of the reasons you had a very different and at times what seemed to be affronting kind of relationship. between the prosecution and between the defense team. angela corey, remember this was, i believe, the news conference when she announced the charges. many people thought that was hugely dramatic and shows up, well dressed, she presents and delivers this kind of a speech before she gets to what she's there for, the charges against -- >> but is this three guys out here and being sexist? other people said -- i don't want it to come off as that but a kind of ...

This, in your view? >> well, once he was in hong kong, it was really a question of what china wanted, whether or not he stayed, because although we have an extradition treaty with hong kong, hong kong is one of two systems in a single state, as they put it, the state being china, and china can keep him -- could have at the point him from coming back to the united states by claiming this was a political matter and so forth. so i think what's clear here is that both china and russia have no affronting the united states. they're not concerned particularly what president obama thinks of them. they...

While. >> so i imagine the u.s. is going to work on that. you know, trying to figure out what went wrong. but in the meantime, it seems like the priority is, how do they go about capturing, detaining edward snowden, making sure he faces these charges of espionage and theft of u.s. documents. what kind of conversations are taking place right now in order to move in that direction? >> it would be good but, again, with china being able to tell hong kong what to do, for all practical purposes here, and with russia not worrying at all about offending or affronting the united states, then between th...