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Part and world partner. do we have to sacrifice some of our relationship with india in order to plaqueate pakistan in order to save ourselves in afghanistan? maybe. there may be some of that tradeoff that's coming along. it needs to be a political bargain. pakistan needs to be involved. the idea of trying to build the afghan government and send in more troops to try and fight our way or pay our way out of afghanistan. most people don't think it's possible. >> it has to be a pakistan solution. >> it has to be a pakistan and afghan solution. something with the afghan government and taliban recon...

Afghanistan? maybe. there may be some of that tradeoff that's coming along. it needs to be a political bargain. pack needs to be involved. the idea of trying to build the afghan government and send in more troops to try and fight our way or pay our way out of afghanistan. most people don't think it's possible. >> it has to be a pakistan solution. >> it has to be a pakistan and afghan solution. something with the afghan government and taliban reconciliation to a degree. >> when you talked to afghans, and when you talked to pakistanis, when talk to people who are sort of connected to the power b...

I don't get a sense there's a plan b. is there a plan b? is plan b more time? >> there's no reason why this shouldn't be successful if the afghans do their part. i mean, we have -- i've never met an officer that didn't want more capability, so i would never turn away more engineers or military police. we have enough to do what we have got to do in kandahar assuming that the afghans step up and do their part. >> if they don't? >> well, then we will have given them the best chance they've ever have. >> you can only control about 20% of the variables that are going to determine the outcome here. ...

>> there's no reason why this shouldn't be successful if the afghans do their part. i mean, we have -- i've never met an officer that didn't want more capability, so i would never turn away more engineers or military police. we have enough to do what we have got to do in kandahar assuming that the afghans step up and do their part. >> if they don't? >> well, then we will have given them the best chance they've ever have. >> you can only control about 20% of the variables that are going to determine the outcome here. >> that's true. i think that's why general carter said, look, you have to have...